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tehshadowninjar · Mar 30, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Okies, me and my guild just had a big convo about the usage of Magehunter Strike. We all agreed it sucks balls and any other elite > Magehunter Strike. So, I'm proposing a buff. From the name and the picture it showed, we came up with 2 buffs.

Target foe suffers from Bleeding and Deep Wound

Target foe suffers from Daze

Of course, you would have to lengthen the recharge, otherwise, it's TOO imba.

Any CC is welcome ^^

Zil · Mar 30, 2008, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Not trying to flame here, but what exactly do you hope to achieve by buffing a skill like Magehunter's Strike? Randomly buffing underused/underpowered skills isn't going to do anything because most often those skills have effects or usages that are not desired or try to fill in a spot that isn't there. Unless they are buffed to a point where they are considered overpowered, which you're proposed skill change would do to Magehunter's Strike. And Warriors already have more then enough offensive power and versatility as it is.

As for the elite, I have tried it myself actually, and found it best in a Sever-Gash sword build or something, for pressure. But then again, Cripslash/Coward would probably do it better. But wait, swords suck in PvP...oh well.

I wouldn't touch Magehunter's Strike, because people won't use it anyway, unless it is overpowered. And a functionality change would be hard, since other elites already have everything worthwhile covered.

thor hammerbane · Mar 30, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Zil

Not trying to flame here, but what exactly do you hope to achieve by buffing a skill like Magehunter's Strike? Randomly buffing underused/underpowered skills isn't going to do anything because most often those skills have effects or usages that are not desired or try to fill in a spot that isn't there. Unless they are buffed to a point where they are considered overpowered, which you're proposed skill change would do to Magehunter's Strike. And Warriors already have more then enough offensive power and versatility as it is.

As for the elite, I have tried it myself actually, and found it best in a Sever-Gash sword build or something, for pressure. But then again, Cripslash/Coward would probably do it better. But wait, swords suck in PvP...oh well.

I wouldn't touch Magehunter's Strike, because people won't use it anyway, unless it is overpowered. And a functionality change would be hard, since other elites already have everything worthwhile covered.

Sorry, but I 100% disagree with this. The only way to fix the current meta is by randomly buffing unused skills. If anet only keeps nerfing the current gimmick to the point that it unusable, then it will only perpetuate the cycle untill the next gimmick is found. By buffing unusable skills that have long been forgotten, there will be much more effective skills to choose from. By buffing the unusable stuff, many new effective builds emerge, therefore, eliminating the need for only one build.

MagmaRed · Mar 30, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I think of it as a Power Attack with a different benefit. Power Attack foes more damage, but Magehunters can't be blocked. Same energy cost, and same recharge. Magehunters also gets a 1/2 second activation though. I think the 'elite' status of the skill warrants the activation time and unblockable part. I don't think the lower damage is elite worthy though. I'd say give it the same, or at least better, damage output as Power Attack.

RiKio · Mar 30, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

A way for buffing the skill?

Change skill name for: Turai´s strike
Change adrenaline cost for 8 hits
Give a 4 seconds recharge
Requires a shield.

Elite attack. You attack twice. The first strike does Deep Wound. The second does Blind and Dazed.

Reference:

Warning: BMP Spoiler

ischuros · Mar 30, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

What use does saying, and not even bother to type out the whole thing, L2P do? It adss nothing to the discussion and is just trolling. My suggestion to you is to L2P the forum, then come back.

I agree that Magehunter Strike is not very good. I don't usually use a sword build (axe ftw), but if there were some good elites for it I would. If they made it more like Skullcrack, except without the interupt, it would be better.

Master Ketsu · Mar 30, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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The only way to fix the current meta is by randomly buffing unused skills.

Half true. The way to fix the current meta is to buff skills not in use, but only buff the skills that are not in use because they are inferior. There are skills that are decent, but unused at the moment because of the meta.

The big problem is with the way Izzy has been nerfing things. His nerfs are designed to kick the meta around instead of actually trying to keep skills as balanced and equally useful as possible...which does fix things in the short run occasionally but causes long term problems due to the fact that as the skills that were nerfed/buffed by Izzy a few nerfs ago cycle out of the meta they end up becoming a bigger problem or just worthless skills in a new meta ( cripshot is a good example ) and the overall balance becomes even more degenerated because of it. Its the same concept as paying off a credit card with another form of a loan: You fix the current issue, but overall you end up making things worse.

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any other elite > Magehunter Strike

Maghunter could use a buff, but its not useless. Its an unblockable small spike - small being the problem. There is much worse.

[skill]Wastrel's collapse[/skill] <---basically worthless.
[skill]Scavenger's focus[/skill] <---Blatant inferiority to Glass arrows in every way.

ect. ect.

BlackSephir · Mar 30, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Elite attack. You attack twice. The first strike does Deep Wound. The second does Blind and Dazed.

Lol. Maybe put cripple on the first trike too? Or knockdown?

Nyktos · Mar 30, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

Sucks balls? You are in a PvE guild right? Otherwise quit GW never show your face here anymore lol.

Are you perhaps confusing Magehunter Strike with Magehunter's Smash? Because they are two very different skills....

Kanyatta · Mar 30, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Elite attack. You attack twice. The first strike does Deep Wound. The second does Blind and Dazed.

Yes, let's concoct the most powerful skill in the game. With this, there is no reason for any other hammer elite ever.

RiKio · Mar 30, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Hey, the OP wanted a better Magehunter. I gave a better Magehunter.

Obviosuly, I was joking.

demo113 · Mar 30, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Yes, let's concoct the most powerful skill in the game. With this, there is no reason for any other hammer elite ever.

Except magehunter STRIKE is NOT a hammer attack.

Anyways the problem with magehunter strike is that it is strength based so if you buff the damage to much a hammer or scythe war could use it for a huge spike where it would be more balanced on a sword or axe and that is what will keep it from being any good.

BlackSephir · Mar 30, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Hey, the OP wanted a better Magehunter. I gave a better Magehunter.

Obviosuly, I was joking.

Sometimes, there's no way to tell if people are joking or not.
Especially on Guru.

BlackSephir · Mar 30, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Magehunter_Strike

RiKio · Mar 30, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Since there's no Magehunter Strike in the game, I assume the OP refers to Magehunter's Smash, which is a usable, if not, good skill.

[skill]Magehunter Strike[/skill]

But hitting twice, one with weapon and other with shield would be epic.

Kanyatta · Mar 30, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

That's dissappointing, since I was just there searched "Magehunter Strike" and no results were found....

Konig Des Todes · Mar 30, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

That's dissappointing, since I was just there searched "Magehunter Strike" and no results were found....

I think you should of figured out it was not magehunter smash seeing how the joke replacement needs a SHIELD, but hey, everyone makes mistakes. Maybe a typo when searching?